The big question is how did the mask get there, and who left it? What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. ", wrote:> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey . It's just idiotic. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. ), Stalepie writes:"the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. The woman who had tried to warn Bill intervenes and insists on redeeming him, at an undisclosed personal cost. When Bill thinks hes just about to score his own sexual liaison, his charade is exposed. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. Whereas atSomerton, Ziegler and the others only first become suspicious of Billas an interloper because of how he arrived there (in a taxi ratherthan a limousine). - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to > all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. You know perfectly well what was meant, Mr Glib Pedant but if youwant to Labour on it, as opposed to labor on it >> [ more stuff snipped ]>> > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. I found them both disappointing. ANSWER. It's a kind of dissassociation from reality, and an obsessive flight of ideas, into endless, words and meta-words. ", "Victor what can I say. >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. Again. Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." WebSleep Mask for Women, Eye Mask for Sleeping Blindfold Block Out Light and Relieves Dry Eyes with Extra Gel Beads Pad,Super Smooth and Flower Patterns 4.4 4.4 out of 5 stars Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. Barcaluv. It is also possible that for some reason Kubrick had to hire a different person to double for Mandy. The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<. He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. But what he was getting at was whether it was murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it would not have happened had he not been there. When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. What a mish mash of mentalmasturbation that is..", " Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. Regardless of the different actresses in the credits, what I see is that the woman at the ceremony, who redeems him, apparently the "mysterious woman," has a small freckle/mole on her chest about 2 inches to her left side of center, above her breasts, which I think, can also be seen slightly on the corpse. The official cause of death was from a heart attack. It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? andpleading with her to take off her mask? Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. Mandy was not the same woman. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. ", "I saw her body in the morgue. Please either stop orshape up. He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. Sakyamuni had taught that simpleminded people of even blind faith are way ahead of these blabbering, eliteist, arrogant intellectuals. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. You saw > her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor > Cruise go free.>> If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have > expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. I am ready >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" and she > replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," > Mandy says, "I know." Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). And of course how did the mask get on his pillow? >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. Being "all a Charade," doesn't mean it was all a dream. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? This is the implication of Dream Storytoo - with the movie being quite faithful to the structure of the novella - though Kubrick obviously leaves this moment up to interpretation. :>released around the same time, The Ninth Gate. (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? > >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? at the ceremony/orgy. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he >> was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom.>, > Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professional> doctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety than> about Mandy's actual wellbeing. > slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. But then again when Superman puts on a pair of plain eyeglassesLois Lane, or anyone else fails to recognize him as Clark Kent! Is that how > you> would describe it? It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. >>>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he had> referred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)> party, it would still be uncertain, because>> 1. Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. Even Ziegler only uses that wordin reference to his own earlier party, while referring to the Somertonrituals always more elusively: "I was there, at the House", "what ifwhat happened was a fake, a charade", etc, but no mention of any'party' at Somerton. Why would he demand that she take offher mask if this were so? Clearly, of course,the Somerton ritual is a mirror of Ziegler's party (with each event inmany ways serving as the 'truth' of the other): whether its Mandy atthe party or at the ritual or at both, the outcome is still the same:a corpse in a morgue. in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. The Daily Planet may go under too. And if it's *not* supposed to be obvious, thatmeans that Polanski screwed up. In contrast, why does the masked woman seeminglyalready know much more than they do? news:47897d0b$0$5129$4c36@roadrunner.com > Harry writes: (seen on google)>> >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense >> >>> of>>> anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible >> mumbling),<<<>, >> No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare >> kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. In fact, the only actual dream in the film is unseen, is onlylater described - namely, Alice's dream/nightmare about having sexwith numerous men (strikingly similar to the fate of the women atSomerton) in which Bill is openly humiliated, and told to Bill justafer he returns from Somerton. It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curransuffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make aconnection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafethat set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier servedas Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. This is still a mystery. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. Orgy? > So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) this> would 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? It was a party nevertheless. A part-time hobby soon blossomed into a career when he discovered he really loved writing about movies, TV and video games; he even (arguably) had a little bit of talent for it. Orgy? The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. > Mandy was not the same woman. No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. (meaning the Mysterious woman) "victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the women at the party, well victor, maybe i'm missing something heyou call it a Charadetell me what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". >on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >him. I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. When Bill goes to the hospital, he asks to see patient Amanda Curren (sp), the name he saw in the newspaper. WebThe protagonists mask (Bill Harford, interpreted by Tom Cruise) is a Venetian mask that covers the entire face. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? "anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? It was a > party nevertheless. 2. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). Can it really compete with Rupert? I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. > > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? <<<<<<<<<<<. These ceremonies must have been a big customenr for his former patient. Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. ", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIXuHaaz5iU, > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one Statanic mass? He could choose to call it many things, but 'party'? WebThere are constant hints throughout the film of it being a story about one man's ego and insecurities. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. Put on some headphones and listen. On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. Put on some headphones and listen. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. They paid off the desk cleark to tell Bill, that Nick was being roughed up, or perhaps the clerk is one of those men dancing with men at the ceremony/orgy and in fact Mandy, although on the slab was not really dead. It's pronounced Paw-rick, not Pad-raig. As for Kelpzoid's rants on the topic - isn't there a RAW Illuminatusng out there somewhere? He is not exactly voicing his thoughts. The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? The film revolves around the tension between these twophenomena; it is about this tension): 1. desiring Amanda Curran to bethe Mandy from Ziegler's party would confirm his guilt - in hisprofessional capacity as a doctor attending a patient in need - aboutleaving her fate in the hands of Ziegler, serving power rather thanmorality or medical ethics, a guilt he now seeks to redress byimmediately going to visit Amanda/Mandy at the hospital to try andredeem himself; and 2. desiring Amanda to be the masked woman, a womanwho seemingly redeems Bill's Somerton-crashing guilt for him via theSomerton 'charade.'. >>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. To take Tess or Barry Lyndon in the same context is perhaps moreappropriate to various periods stylistically divergent from an intentor device for Picasso to depict women;- a later advancement thatneedn't further qualification than figures posed in gold, as was aliteral premium exacted upon proceeds, so written by one later model,over stipends derived from the estate. WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. Tom Cruise in the Masked Ball ritual scene from Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece Eyes Wide Shut with Jocelyn Pook's haunting score filling the temple. It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. ". ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all along, although apparently there was a body double for some scenes. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I know." Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. She helps Bill at the Please either stop > or> shape up. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' He was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," were killers. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. But maybe he's just practicing forhis Boddhisatva qualification tests.- you know, the 'enlightening thegreat unwashed masses' thing. And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. He wasn't positive. In a > case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his > mind, but he was kinda busy. ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it? '<<<<<<<<<<<> I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. If we try to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries. But he still wasn't sure after reading the news story, or even aftervisiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanationindicated. Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. It's profoundly, structurally, indeterminate >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling),<<<. ---people with no idea of the futility and silliness of counting endless grains of sands, with their mental masturbations and perserverations. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. Why would he demand that she take off> her mask if this were so? > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. >>>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>>wearing> masks? >In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is), So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. WebEyes Wide Shut. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! Indeed, the film iscentrally concerned with the failure of a 'male-centric' andpatriarchal ideology to deal with female desire; and the narrativethrust of the film revolves around Bill's increasingly hopelessefforts to flee from (but also to copy and avenge) Alice's desire, adesire from which he is completely excluded, just as he is laterexcluded from the desire-space of the power-elite at Somerton. But that's not the half of it. > > On Jan 11, 6:50 am, dumb_n00b wrote: > > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. <<<<<<<<. Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. 2. No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare clear and she has a very distinctive voice. If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" 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