They also diagnosed the car with misfires due to fouled spark plugs. The same thing has just happened again. This was not covered under the extended warranty as cylinders 5 and, 6 were not covered. Before I could have the work performed, I noticed a loud noise coming from the engine so I added that to the list to be investigated. A 'cylinder" is shaped like a drinking glass, right. However I will never invest in a Honda vehicle again! Had the motor replaced as a result of the piston ring issue/failure in 2021. They tell me it will cost $14000 dollars to fix but they will contact Honda and try and get me a break on the price because they didnt notice the problem when it first happened. This car is already out of the warranty so I guess they must have an internal recall on this. Auto machine shops usually stay busy so having a cylinder head tied up for several weeks or more is not uncommon depending upon the workload. V. American honda motor co., Inc., Case no. The VCM Megathread - what is VCM, does my vehicle have VCMTuner II (Google their website - it's a direct order), S-VCM controller (Google their website - it's a direct order). There is nothing wrong with your car, just replace the plugs ( I am assuming you are having a misfire which is why it's at the dealer) and disable the VCM system and finally give it the Italian tune up. The mileage is about 76.000. Here I am almost exactly 3 years and 50,000 miles later and the problem is back. This appears to be an obvious failure or defect that Honda is aware of. The dealership wont budge on the $3000 repair costs, ridiculous. There are a lot of unknown factors such as when the vehicle was diagnosed, when the repair was approved by Honda and how long it takes to get the parts. Therefore, when the piston rings fail, the car will experience a myriad of problems that may ultimately damage the entire engine. The rings are known to rotate and align in a manner that degrades spark plugs and causes engine mIS Fires. CARS.COM. Thank you Honda! If this happens, uncontrolled oil burning may occur inside the engine, causing . I still have all the same issues. Class Members of the Honda engine defect class action settlement include all current and former owners or lessees of one or more of the following Honda vehicles equipped with a 6-cylinder engine with Variable Cylinder Management (VCM-2), purchased or leased in the United States: Full reimbursement of your out-of-pocket repair expenses, plus a Warranty Extension. Here is some information from the Honda bulletin; American Honda is announcing a powertrain warranty extension as a result of a settlement of a class captioned, Soto etal V American Honda Motor Co., Inc., Case No. When I search for problems with hondas when I purchased it nothing appeared. Our shop gave us a cope of the service bulletin with the class action lawsuit and said if it happens again to take to the dealership. We drove roughly 75,000 miles since those piston rings were replaced. Was never notified of any issue and out of pocket $331.53 before this third repair. A sad loss, even sadder Honda was no help!!! Honda agreed to the class action settlement in order to avoid the costs of a trial. Three weeks seems like a LONG time. I see this happening to other people and i wonder if anyone can tell me how to get a class action suit started? I cant believe they wont admit it. Should I file for the reimbursement and extended warranty, or should I sue? Hard to trust them now!! I have seen several complaints on this issue and my car is one of them now. I was told by Honda that they will only pay 50% to repair my 2013 Honda pilot. Bought a used 2012 Honda at CarMax last year 34000 miles I have take my car back to the dealer 2 times due to misfires. I love my Odyssey, but almost makes me want to go buy another manufacturers model. Sep 13, 2015. rayman1943 said: Just received a recall for "The piston rings may be sticking resulting in high oil consumption". Replaced the plugs with OEM and still getting a misfire when I am above 70 mph on highway. Your email address will not be published. They say thats causing the sputtering .. Thing is if the misfire issue isnt completely fixed the new cats will just blow again from the heat. So what are the symptoms of the issue here? However in the past 18 months it has been burning about 2.5 to 3 quarts of oil about every 5,000 miles when I change the oil and filter. It is 12 years old, and I have Taking care of it without fail. Although piston rings are some of the least expensive parts of a car engine, they are essential to the effective operation of the vehicle. Repairs to or replacement of any part not listed above. Private
Ive already spent well over the cost of the car & become in debt due to continuing problems!! I have to add 2-3 quarts depending how much I drive. FYI, my problem is on cylinder #1. I ran into the same issues Ive only had my 2008 Honda Accord EXL for 3 yrs & had nothing BUT, problems! I own 2010 Crosstour and experienced misfiring in August 2014 after the deadline of the class action claim. There should not be a time limit since its continuing to happen. I barely bought the van about 1 or 2 years ago its a 2009 Honda odyssey. administrator or law firm. Nothing more nothing less. It was down a quart. Even though its the same engine, same oil rings, Honda is refusing to repair it properly. I said I do not believe so. Very curious!! Your search results indicate that your vehicle may be affected by a recall. Instead I am going to drive the wheels off of this damn thing. It had also been regularly serviced. BEWARE! Almost all gasoline engines are designed this way. Honda has decided not to honour its own product so I can no longer support them. Sad situation. The TSB is the result of A-A-Classction lawsuit. Now, we had to replace the catalytic converter. Its been done a second time at 120,000 miles. Despite being beyond the 8 year extension period as a result of the lawsuit, Honda picked up the tab for 75% of the repairs ($3000). (Federal Judgement for a class action law suit for this and other Honda vehicles was made on 03/21/2014). maybe the cars been at the dealership for a long time, because theyre swamped with warranty work, Perhaps that other warranty work is repairing engines, just like OPs, Maybe they were already seriously backlogged, when OP showed up. They are all aware that this is a Huge Honda Problem. There more I have read about the Pilot, the less interested I have become in it. santa monica dealer (purchased from) service stated it was normal back in 2009 (service told me they adjusted valves, tried swapping coil/plug, check vacuum leak,). Senior Tech said it just needed a replacement spark plug, nothing else (asked about computer software upgrade, etc.). I know Im supposed to check the oil levels at gas fill ups but Id have to add oil at every gasoline fill up at this rate. More info: http://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/23055-honda-engine-misfire-class-action-settlement-gets-final-ok/, I have the same problem with my 2008 Honda Accord four cylinder. First let me say that I bought a Honda based on their history of a long life expectancy.now Im a very unhappy Honda owner!! Found out that valve cover gaskets were leaking onto my alternator. The dealership had us call Honda Customer Care and ask if they would extend for us since we are just 4 months past. Has anyone been successful with getting any help from Honda on these issues? You should receive a letter from the manufacturer if your car has been recalled. It has about 88,000 miles on it. I was (and still am) hoping to keep this car for a while. I had a 2012 Honda pilot. RAM, OLSON, CEREGHINO & KOPCZYNSKI, Lawrence Deutsch Lo and behold 30 minutes later at the dealer it was only down .5 quart and my engine was deemed to be okay and passed the engine consumption test. They started happening in 2018, 4 years after they closed the class action lawsuit involving my year of Honda Accord. They stated they would check the spark plugs and coil but they were backed up and would have to keep it over night and run a diagnostics again the next morning. They (Boch Honda Norwood Ma) just told me i have massive interior engine damage. They advised it was from the oil getting into the combustion chamber just like the V6s. Honda offering to extend warranty on the piston ring update repair for I4s to 8 years / 125,000 Miles. I think I've done 25-30 of these piston/rings cars and they are not bad to do. I have 95, 500 miles on my Honda, which by the way Ive never had an issue with the engine or anything else. My mechanic told me eventually the engine will need to be replaced! Mark all read, Topic Icons:
Also am i going to get a rental to get me back and forth to work? If the motor had lower end damage caused by a severe top end melt down, the entire motor was replaced. Having to closely monitor oil levels and add 2-3 quarts between oil changes. The piston rings on certain cylinders may rotate and align which can lead to spark plug fouling. So, I pulled over,shut the car off and turned it back on again. He initially tried to say that people can read the dipstick differently but then told me that he would call the field agent. TERRELL MARSHALL DAUDT & WILLIE PLLC, Michael F. Ram Hi, I appreciate the number you left on your message. Find your nearest Honda dealer. I have been a loyal Honda buyer for 25 years. Honda is saying that cylinder 6 is not covered under the lawsuit settlement. Does anyone know why this would be? Engine burns small amount of oil, down about a pint at the next oil change. My car was certified and had an extended warranty. This is explained in your owners manual. A misfire due to valve lash/burnt valve is not the same as a misfire due to plug fouling due to oil consumption past the piston rings. It cut out on me in rush hour in a tunnel (I live on the peninsula in Virginia and travel to the south side via tunnel) Now I am scared to death to drive this car and unfortunately I owe so much on it, it sits parked. We just now are having engine misfires to the tune of $3300. document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_3" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_4" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Please note: Top Class Actions is not a settlement I have a 2012 accord with 58,000 miles and it has been in the shop 2 times for engine misfire on #2 cylinder.They changed the spark plug both times ! American honda is extending the powertrain warranty to cover repairs related to engine failure (which causes dtcs p0301 to p0304) to 8 years of unrestricted mileage from the original date of purchase and has resolved a class case on the basis of this remedial measure. Theres 3 or 4 of these semi-circles all together, and the gaps in the rings must not align, otherwise the aligned gaps create a path for oil to leak past the set of 4 rings. Have owned Hondas since 1998. I own a 2010 Honda Accord with a VCM-2 V-6 that I had to bring to Honda due to misfires, a check engine light (code P0304 was read), and excessive oil burning. I dont expect everything to be perfect, but I do expect that when problems arise my dealership provides good customer service and fixes the problem. Our newest member: Eduardo AMPM
I do not have an oil consumption issue (yet) but the oil gets really really dirty very quickly. you need to google it. Since then my 2010 Crosstour has continued to consume an extra 2 quarts of oil per oil change. I have not fully repaired yet. Yesterday, with my wife down in Florida, Cylinder 1 misfired (P301 code). I always keep a spare coil in my trunk.. I have noticed that my van doesn't seem to accelerate well. I appreciate you posting all that information, because I feel like Im having the same problem that you fixed. There are no current safety recalls for this vehicle. . I had the same issue, 2014 accord, Stalled completely on the road. Im a HUGE HONDA FAN but Ill promise you one thing, if it starts going down hill from here they are in big trouble cause Ill switch to something else like Toyota in a heartbeatI think others will follow as well if Honda is being dirty with this little secret of theirs; apparently a bunch of secrets now. I can get my oil changed and within 2 weeks my car is 2 quarts low on oil easily. I am returning this vehicle to Honda Motor Corp and discontinuing payment to Honda Motor Credit. What a tiny recall window! I should not have to worry about being stranded in a practically new vehicle. So the question I have is, what should I do for the Honda Pilot? Asked by hdbaker Dec 05, 2016 at 08:31 PM about the 2012 Honda Pilot EX-L with Nav 4WD. Find out it my piston rings, cylinder 2 misfire, anti-lock brake system 83-11 and 61-11. The dealer wants me to pay for tear down as there is no compression in the cylinder#6. Known issue 2009-2013 Honda Pilot that resulted in class action lawsuit. My car is burning a quart every 500 miles. My primary question is this,, Dated 1-20-2015. Almost immediately, they all misfired again. Im not leaking anything, but if I dont check the oil regularly, Im certain Im going to damage the engine. In oct 2018 had po301 code og miss fire cost $700 and tonight its happing again. By Tom Torbjornsen. They said that the fouled cylinder 1 plug was probably due to a worn out cylinder. At the third one I was down only .5 quart again (fishy). Loyal Honda customer for over 20 years. change the spark plugs with some NGK iridium or ruthenuim plugs, pay someone or do it yourself. What Im wondering is whether the initial repair likely fixed the problem, or whether the problem is likely to crop up again. previous owner was even made aware of the lawsuit? I have owned other Honda vehicles and have never had as many problems with any car. Immediately took it to the dealership and they performed warranty procedure A which was to reset the code, replace spark plugs and perform software update. Is there a way for me to be compensated? ( there are even videos of this on youtube. ) That was done. The proposed class action settlement was preliminarily approved by U.S. District Judge Susan Illston on Oct. 9, 2013. They did advise that compression was lost in the cylinders and that was causing the misfires. Even though I purchased an extended warranty for the car, which my cars milage is well within, I had to pay $42.71 out of pocket for the oil change to begin the oil consumption readings. Now that it is, my dealership was given permission from HONDA to take the car in and fix it next week. This time I brought the car to the dealer and the code did not go away. I have been mulling over my options for two weeks now. Valve lash adjustments are considered a maintenance procedure which should be done regularly and the customer pays for. This is unacceptable, if Honda manuafacturing do not deal with this problem, i will not buy any Honda again. Whoever left Honda There goes my time being wasted!! They then agreed to clean the heads and install a new software program after the Oil Consumption Test. 2023 Vehicle History Inc. All Rights Reserved. I didnt realize the class action required replacing the timing belt. Matthew Bonness My car has 36350 now and is out of the factory warranty. I had all of the above work done on my car Feb of 2014. That work would involve cleaning the pistons, and replacing the piston rings and spark plugs. When a class action suits settled like this, someone must notify all customers. BTW Have you found out what compliance bushings do? my left foot for the brake and right foot for the accelerator. I didnt have an extended warranty so Honda care wasnt much help but the department manager of my Honda dealership was helpful Im not sure if it was because I called so often (and was a squeaky wheel) but he was very helpful. But I think we should start another class action lawsuit against Honda, because Ill be damned if Im going to pay $4000 for a ring job and another $300 for a computer upgrade. Closed. code. I have a 2009 with 116k and knock on wood no problems. yosemite: better an engine that starts up and idles for 5 minutes out of very hour. While I did dig up my past maintenance invoices, and I did spend about $1200 fixing/replacing both crush washers and torqued both drain. I own a 2008 Honda Accord 4cyl and it is doing the same thing the V6 Accords are doing, burning oil and I just had to have my spark plugs replaced paid for out of my pocket. He confirmed that and through my dealer and Honda corporate office I had the pay a $300 deductible (instead of $500) to have it fixed because of my past Honda loyalty and because I took such good care of the car and had all service performed as needed at the dealer there. We struggled to make the dealership file a claim and pursue Honda USA for a new motor. A $699.95 valve adjustment was recommended at my expense. I think thats a great idea to open a new class action. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. I might ask what year and how many miles on the car as the description could point to a tight valve caused by failure to adjust the valve lash. Damaged pistons and damaged cylinder walls means an engine overhaul and waiting on the auto machine shop to vat and bore an engine block, etc. VehicleHistory.com my 2009 Honda accord 4 cylinder has check engine flashing, VSA, Triangle all on. And also I have a 2004 Honda van now with its 2nd recall on it its going next! Recall date. I reached out to Honda corporate and they are paying for some of the cost to repair it. Honda performed a computer update and the car ran fine for a year. There were no diagnostic codes and they couldnt get the car to repeat what my wife experienced, so nothing done. thank you! My husband checked and spark plugs will be $16-20 each. I have an 2008 honda accord sedan ex jus had 6500 miles when its started to gave hard start I change the starter,crank sensor, spark plugs, same problem finally went to the 5th shop the oil was low thats why its gave hard start and Gare down when driving I lost so much money try to find out wat the problem was an money gone to wase with all the fix I did all I do now top it up with oil every 2weeks it have 7600 miles now idk wat to do, 2010 Honda Odessa yes cylinder oil damage just like everyone else. In all fairness, I must note this did occur before the settlement was reached. Not so sure what the software update did other than kick the can down the road. I feel like we should take out another claim/lawsuit with Honda since there are so many of us. I'm terrified to have it happen to me againbeing on a busy interstate when my van starts losing power and is difficult to maneuver. I have the same problem on my 2012 Honda Odyssey. 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