On Feb. 13, 2017, the two friends had gone for a hike on the Delphi Historic Trails and were reported missing by their families when they did not return home that afternoon. Becky Patty said that Libby had met Mr. X a couple of times, but she didnt think Libby would recognize him. I wonder if they got IDs of everyone in it or names(obviously he could give a fake one) because wouldnt they know who wasnt local or acted odd or just be able to look into them all to be safe. Scarf around neck. Watch on. Local LE may cover for Mr X (awful) but would the FBI? Or a twisted kind of guilt or compassion for the girls? Its nice to have a serious conversation without people chiming in with what if BG is a woman? (one thing I actually read this week) and other absurd speculation. I appreciate your work. Until his arrest last week on two counts of first-degree murder, Allen, 50, had no prior criminal record. "My worry is if he is trying to get a plea deal or whatever, then what if he's just telling them lies? Also the original SPM1 clarified via my friend that there was not just one stuffed animal but also that there were stuffed animals plural at the scene. Almost yours: 2 weeks, on us 100+ live channels are waiting. 4 things we learned about arrest in deaths of Liberty German and Abigail Williams, What we know and don't know 5 years after Abby and Libby were killed, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. Officials weren't sure just how many volunteers came, but sign-in sheets appeared to log hundreds." Which I'm sure made finding the girls all that worse. is that that damned stuffed animal is as tall as Abby. The big stuffed animal and all of the dolls would haunt me to the point that I would eventually have to tell someone. The members of the search party who found them must still have visions and memories of that tragic day etched in their minds. The revelation is included in a nine-page request for a search warrant filed March 17, 2017, a little more than one month after the murders. The agent also confirms the girls were followed by the suspect on the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, and that there were no visible signs of a struggle or fight. And on the other side of the fence, single women bitch a lot about us men too. Who were they? Regarding Mr X, wouldnt the girls have known him if he were friends with Libertys grandparents? How many more than one? If he isnt the BG, he has some macabre fascination with the murder. The inevitable questions arise. This young lady is a hero, theres no doubt, Indiana State Police Sgt. But werent the FBI involved from the start? Because probably because they DNA tested me they obviously have DNA on that body, 'cause why else would they DNA test me. Hi Robert. How was it organized? During a search of Allen's home on Oct. 13, 2022, officers found knives and guns, including a "Sig Sauer, Model P226, .40-caliber pistol," the probable cause affidavit said. Richard Allen, 50, was charged with the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in Delphi, Ind., in February 2017. He was charged with a probation violation for driving with a suspended license. I also think the girls went to the bridge to meet YGS, but they got OGS instead, or possibly both. If the affidavit remains sealed, Rozzi said, it will make the prosecutors' and the defense attorneys' jobs more difficult since they will have to vaguely allude to allegations during arguments in future hearings, including the scheduled Feb. 17 hearing on whether Allen should be released on bond. Our goal is to find anybody else involved in this heinous crime. Comment * document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a7aaf19783c3ef0be4e1653389843f4e" );document.getElementById("b83dbe3da2").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. Will the public interest be substantially served by limiting access?" However, here is my argument for him as the BG: He does resemble the man in the video, particularly the short lower leg area. . Gray makes over $100,000/year from his podcasts, which is fine by me. He may indeed have been a hunter who worked for Tyson. I'm wondering if the families were even told about what the scene itself disclosed, or given any details about the crime scene such as; how the girls' bodies were left at the crime scene. The investigation is ongoing and open, various authorities reiterated during the news conference. The suspect was not someone the families knew, Mike Patty said. The tip line number is 1-844-459-5786. Wouldnt LE and Fire officials have kept a list of folks who participated in the search? Not unless they were in a relationship for 2+ years and he got a tattoo of her, which I find unlikely, as Libby would only have been about 13/14 back in 2015/2016. We cannot publicly convict someone based on a single document which was not released by investigators. Abby, 13, and Libby, 14, were found dead on Valentine's Day, 2017, a day after they vanished while hiking through the woods of the Historic Delphi trails. Based on his posts, he does appear to have some animosity towards young women, and he is an oversharer. He tells off women in passive aggressive hostile posts. And you guys have not given up on us. Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland said the probable cause affidavit and charging information are sealed by the court. Carroll County prosecutor Nick McLeland give update on the Delphi murders. For years, Becky Patty, Libertys grandmother, has posted a photo on Facebook every day in memory of the girls, usually with the words Today is the day in the image. Either LE or coroner: It was all over by 3:30 PM.. On the Evansdale, Delphi case, who is the suspect? I would like to remind the public that this is an active and ongoing investigation, and we will do everything we can to protect its integrity and to not try it in the court of public opinion. Thats not true. Thats also why he started addressing the killer because he was right there in the room! Breaks my heart that the family had to try so hard to get help. At least, assuming the Mr. X stuff is confirmed. I generally accept it however because to assume otherwise would be to assume that the entire police force and townsfolk who were in the search party waited longer than what made sense. DELPHI, Ind. It is not a a palette knife, I know that much. As usual, they do not want to be identified, but I can tell you that once again, we are dealing with a female member of the party, in this case younger than middle aged. LE? He was charged with a probation violation for driving with a suspended. Our police sources told us that Mr. X is indeed the main suspect. Carrie added that everything she knows about it, she learned on Facebook. Would you consider writing a post on him? Any theories? Carrie added that she isn't getting her hopes up that a breakthrough in the five-year-old case could be imminent. Its like he wants these two tween girls on the cusp of womanhood to remain forever children and sexually innocent and so leaves them surrounded by a childs toys, both as a kind of apology to them, as well as way to announce to the world that he has effectively preserved them as children forever. The agent goes on to say I believe there is probable cause to believe that RONALD LOGAN has committed the crime of murder and evidence of that can be found on RONALD LOGANS property.. Not validated via LE, but its a popular rumor that police officer NM was the one supplying the apparently fake alibi for Mr. X. Were there dogs? The pre-hearing courtroom chatter grew quiet as deputies led Allen into the courtroom from a back door. He has the whole town on his friends list. A search party found their bodies along Deer Creek, about a quarter of a mile east of the Monon High Bridge. Diamond Bynum and King Walker, look that up one day. The two SPMs discussed above have both told us that LE told them not to tell anyone what they had seen at the crime scene. The Delphi Murder Tip Line was routed to the FBI's Major Case Contract Center in Washington, D.C because of the sheer number of calls they were receiving. Also and this constantly nags at me, if LE really has one person, Mr X, in mind but just cannot resolve his alibi, wouldnt that name get around in a small town? I read somewhere an account by a search party member from the night before, that one of the search party organizers prevented his group from searching the actual crime scene by saying you all cant go here, its been searched already. RE Mr X and keys On the police radio a male is mentioned returning to the cemetery with his wife to collect his vehicle. Rozzi rhetorically asked. Greenos videos are almost completely worthless, and group members who have spoken to him told me he has nothing new to add to the case. As a psychologist though, It does makes me stop and think about LE and the types of scenes and different tragedies etc. "That is accurate," Becky Patty said. The police didn't take them seriously at the very beginning. AUTHORITIES have revealed chilling new details linked to the unsolved Delphi "Snapchat murders" of two best friends. Begs the question, WTF were they up to? The arrest has been long awaited by the families of Liberty and Abigail, as well as for the community of Delphi, which has kept a close eye on the investigation. Kline replied: "I have no clue. Unlike any other sleuthers, we have actually determined the main suspect in the case, and we have a pretty good idea of what happened during the crime and what the crime scene looked like. A public court hearing will be set to determine if the documents, including the affidavit in the case, will remain under seal. Then again if it was recent, makes me wonder if the guilt of covering up for Mr. X may have been eating him up inside? In an effort to help the public recognize whom they were looking for, Indiana State Police in July 2017 released a composite sketch of what they thought the killer looked like. But definitely I dont know him.". A 50-year-old suspect identified as Richard Allen has been arrested and booked into . He certainly didnt sound suicidal in his retirement announcement from Monticello in Nov 2019. To have enough presence of mind to activate that video system on her cellphone, to record what we believe is criminal behavior thats about to occur.. I theorize that after release from prison he was itinerant and carried a gun for protection. As per the transcript, Kline also allegedly searched "how long does DNA last" in the aftermath of the murders, in addition to Googling updates on the Delphi investigation and searching for information about other unsolved killings, including the murder of JonBentRamsey. Nearly two years passed before authorities released a second composite sketch in April 2019, this one in stark contrast to the first, which they said more accurately depicted the killer, the Indianapolis Star reported. The agent said Logan claimed someone drove him to an aquarium store in Lafayette on the afternoon of February 13 at the time the girls disappeared. - Stunning new documents describe the scene where two young girls were murdered in Delphi, Indiana, five years ago. Were going to keep pushing all the way. "I dont feel like I thought I would. Also Thursday, the Indiana Department of Correction said Richard Allen, who has been charged with murder in the deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German, has been moved to one of their facilities. Support the best Delphi sleuthing group of all! That is very interesting. Police have quizzed Kegan Kline over his correspondences with Libby German, a transcript leaked by Murder Sheet earlier this year revealed. Officials did not discuss the timeline of events or evidence that led to Allens arrest, saying only that a judge determined that there was probable cause. Why would they do that? I could go on and on. See how people are reading too much into this guy? The search warrant request came just over two weeks after ISP investigators interviewed Kegan Kline, the man they say was behind the Anthony_Shots social media accounts. 28th was the day.. Ok, thats so crazy that its almost impossible to believe its true. I read that they had teams searching on the second day. Its about Abby and Libby, their families and this community.. Thx for the point about girls being abducted off trails and being boxed in on both sides in both cases. Logan was never formally named a suspect and never charged in the Delphi murders. How long did it take to get everyone together? However, bond may be granted if the case does not appear to be strong, according to Indiana law. How could these LE men stomach watching Mr X strut around town, attending press conferences, etc? The superintendent reminded those attending and listening remotely to the press conference to continue sending any information related to the case about Allen or any other individual to the tip line set up years ago: Call 1-844-459-5786; or email abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com. Simply because Delphi, Flora fire, and prior fraud/scams, all would be the same crime. Ive looked at associates of the business owners of the Flora house fire, and there are some very interesting names, big names, powerful names, cop names, etc. And you wont by enriching someone who is already wealthy like Hughes. Rozzi began his arguments by asserting that the documents should be unsealed. Indiana State Police. allege he killed Libby German and Abby Williams, Review the case through 5 years of reporting, Indiana town wants answers about man who 'blended in', Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. So they were alone with each other, supposedly, from ~2 pm to 3.30-4 pm on a Monday afternoon. 4 min read. the detective asked. I would like to know when BP appraised that house and when the fire happened, 2 days 5 days, 2 weeks etc.? I sure would like to know more about this. I do not understand the part about the CSI guy. A man being eyed in the unsolved 2017 murders of two teens in Delphi, Indiana, has an "evil streak" and is "absolutely capable" of committing that type of crime, his brother said. According to court papers, Kline was temporarily moved from the custody of his local authorities and into the hands of ISP, the lead investigators in the Delphi murders, at around the same time the river search began. Abby Williams and Libby German, both 13, were murdered. Also who said this crime was over quickly? So we have three people who arrived at the conclusion independently that there was at least one stuffed animal left at the time. This is apparently all correct! Apparently that was enough to shut up most of the SPMs. A search party was formed and volunteers and police searched the wooded area surrounding the bridge until slightly after midnight when the search was called off. Could it be that subconsciously people remember not so much the trees but what was dangling from them as they tell what they saw? To me, that explains a lot about why it took them so long to find the girls in the first place. Police announced on Monday that a suspect has been arrested in the killings of two teenagers that rocked a small town in Indiana more than five years ago. Nice guy! Just a thought. However, the agent said, These statements were found to be factually false and intentionally designed to deceive LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers).. Discovery: February 14, 2017 Theyre kept their main suspect pretty secret until Leaker showed up. He was released on September 8, court records show. By mid-morning, the downtown Delphi Fire Department became a makeshift command center for volunteers assisting in the search. He catfished them by pretending to be a cute 19 year old boy. I certainly wasnt there so I cant vouch one way or another. Because this is a pending investigation, we do not have any details to share at this time., FBI Special Agent in Charge Herbert J. Stapleton. However, realize firstly as vast as that wooded area was, RLs property when you zoom out isnt the most ideal place to hide a body, being so close to the cemetery. According to Leigh Kerr, the BG took locks of hair from the victims. As for McLeland's concern for the safety of the witnesses, Rozzi said, I havent heard, nor have I seen in the evidence presented, any actionable threats.. Allen pleaded not guilty in a preliminary hearing, Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland said in a news conference Monday. Its a small county. They try to walk it back in more recent interviews but you can see it on their face. 1:08. News of Trexler's arrest comes as Indiana State Police announced they'd concluded a six-week-long search along the Wabash River in Peru, which is believed to be linked to the 2017 murders of best friends Abigail Williams and Libby German. Tony Slocum said at the time, referring to Liberty. And the new one we just talked to is saying that she was told not to tell anyone, but the scene was bugging and eating away at her so much that she just had to spill finally. I've always wondered about the specific search party that found the girls'. Why not donate to the best Delphi sleuthing team of all by donating to me, leader of a group of 230+ sleuthers who have been working on the case for four years now? ", Delphi man charged with murder in killings of Libby German and Abby Williams. You disagree that the Delphi Murders are connected to what? The multi-agency task force working on the Delphi case is certain that the new sketch accurately depicts the face of the man who killed Abby and Libby. We share similar philosophies. Police have released a new clue in the deaths of two girls a chilling recording of three words. McLeland said the public and media interest in the case rekindled after Allen's arrest, and Allen's wife had to flee the community. Next to the drawing, for no apparent reason, is an unusual (to me) looking knife. "We now move forward through the Indiana criminal justice system allowing the system to provide its due diligence and process," Carroll County SheriffTobe Leazenbysaid at a press conference inside Delphi United Methodist Church. Im not sure if the reason for this is because the search parties just mentally glossed over that particular location for more remote spots or because theres something geographically strategic about that particular area that makes it less detectable. Indiana State Police /u/LyonPirkey, thanks for the article. "Today is not a day to celebrate," Superintendent of the Indiana State Police Doug Carter said. I can see it from a teenager or maybe a n emotionally stunted 20+ guy, but this is a middle aged man! He tells off women in passive-aggressive hostile posts. ", Delphi killings:4 things we learned about arrest in deaths of Liberty German and Abigail Williams. We must continue to be mindful of their surviving family members and the entire Carroll County community who are affected by this investigation., Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter, The FBI has provided assistance to the Indiana State Police and the Carroll County Sheriffs Office in this investigation and will continue to help in any way we can to see justice done for Libby and Abby. Hes just an ordinary AFC. I will say that the one thing that is certainly proven about Mr. X is that he is suspicious. The river is roughly 40 miles from whereLibby and Abby were killed and around two miles from theKline family home. Were not. Im pretty sure Chadwell is a hunter and fisherman. I dont agree that any of these people are grifters as everyone says. New information about the murders of Delphi eighth graders Liberty German and Abigail Williams became public Monday, and police have a man in custody. Second thing to consider, From what I understand (per the Prosecutors podcast on the Delphi Murders from a few months ago, which isnt entirely accurate but better than most) they called the official search party off at 11pm or midnight. And the girls may well have been moved and put there late at night. Both of the Pattys are quite insistent that theres no way he did it after all, he was a friend of theirs. Im not sure about that. Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing., The document says authorities also found that two articles of clothing from one of the girls was missing from the crime scene while the rest of their clothing was recovered. A search party found Libby and Abby's bodies along the Deer Creek, about a quarter of a mile east of the Monon High Bridge. Allen, 50, was charged on two counts of. Stuffed animals at a double murder scene are weird enough, granted. To me, he seems very stupid and immature, and I guess I want to believe the BG is some highly intelligent criminal mastermind to do something so awful and then evade capture for so long. As far as Mr. X being a POI, I disagree, as I also disagree that the Delphi Murders are connected. One reason this particular homicide case came to national attention is the haunting cell phone and social-media clues the girls left behind. Our group is clearly the best Delphi sleuthing group on the Internet by far. This sub is for discussion of the case that's come to be known as the Delphi Murders. Indiana State Police confirmed to WISH-TV on Wednesday afternoon that the search ended after six weeks. "It's obviously significant in some way; I can only just hope that it's for the girls, but we don't know. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Only a few seconds have been made public. If yes, they can sort out the crime scene DNA, right? It is our theory that Mr. X stalked Libby on Snapchat for four months until the murders. Authorities said that Richard M. Allen, 50, of Delphi, Ind., was taken into custody last week and charged with two counts of murder Friday in the killings of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail. But there it is, sitting right there, staring us in our faces. The motive is likely to be a lot sicker than that. 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