I also dont focus on the split like I should: I just try to eat more protein! I cant just get as absolutely as strong as possible. Dan McKim Twitter Man, thats all of the fringe strength sports Ive found. Before we get into talking about what Highland Games are, because I think very few people are theyve probably seen it, they dont know its called Highland Games. Hes done a couple of those with us, and I think, actually has the world record for standing weight over bar, not technically as a Highland Game weight over bar, but he has thrown it higher than anyone else in history. If youre doing a bodybuilding routine, this probably isnt for you. I need to be quick and I need to be flexible, and I need to be strong. DM: The Scottish Highland Games is part track and field throwing and part strongman. Some days, the cards Im going to throw really well, and the cards fall in my favor, but Ive also had days where Ive thrown very, very well, and been proud of it, and just didnt have enough to beat it. I have really enjoyed the addition of the lifting program that Mike created. We really didnt dead lift much in college. I really do thank you for helping me line up my programming better. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that youre a god or a total bastard. How do you work around this? I still dont see how that would be the most efficient way to do it. Old Celt's Highland Games Athletic Equipment 1071 Deer Run Lane Crownsville, MD 21032 Home: (410)721-7610 Work: (301)805-4858 Fax: (301)805-4856 E-Mail: oldcelt100@aol.com www.nasgaweb.com/ads/oldcelt/ Mjolnir Hammers Ltd. PO Box 221 Beverly, WA 99321-0221 (509)932-4580 Edwin W. Holcombe 333 Coinbow Drive Mt. Do you incorporate any specialized glute training in your program? DM: I do. Training has been a passion of mine since I was 14. Id say that, along with the volume of work I do each week. How did you get to be a guy who throws around cabers around the world. The competitor then runs forward, building momentum, before tossing the caber into the air so that it turns end over end with the upper end landing before the end originally held by the competitor follows through and hits the ground. That being said, strength is only a part of being a successful competitor. They have an amateur class and they have a novice class. So to stay with the alternating A / B format I love so much: As for the schedule: Throw, Lift A, off, Throw, Lift B, off, off or repeat. You throw twice a week and you lift twice a week. YouTube, Ive got a lot of information going up, and that channel is Matthew Vincent. Im not interested in him doing poorly so that I succeed. An 832# Deadlift by a JuggernautAI Athlete! BC: I met Matt Vincent the year before at the Sorinex Summer Strong conference, and hes another strange combination in that hes a humble, gentle giant just like you. DM: You better believe I do! Highland Games are as iconically Scottish as bagpipes, kilts and whisky - all of which feature heavily at any gathering. Be honest, do you ever throw some curls into your workout to pump up the guns? BC: Twins oh no!!! Brett McKay: There you go. Change). 22# Hammer: 1322.75 (World Record) What I aim to provide is a program that optimizes your time spent in the weight room and enhances your Heavy/Light throwing practices and, by extension your games results. The heaviest implement you'll likely throw is a 56 lb weight or caber. The trick is balancing the weight and the body. Brett McKay: My guest today was Matt Vincent. Your leverages all change on the events How far I have to lean or how hard I have to sprint. Wednesday Back and bis My programming is broken up into three phases: Volume, Hypertrophy and Strength/Power. Im going to get up and do what I can to make myself better. It was my answer to my version of 531, basically. The Highland Games, like Powerlifting, Strongman, and Weightlifting, are a niche strength sport. Marisa shows you one of her favorite recipes. Vertical pulling. The Games are also noted for their unique sporting and athletic events many of which involve throwing and lifting. The Quick and Dirty of Heavy/Light Lifting: Choose your program options from the pull down menu above. Its really fascinating. Check out the Training Tuesdays Google Sheet that includes upcoming topics, links to discussions dating back to mid-2013 (many of which aren't . I dont necessarily count them, though, as its a struggle for me to maintain a high body weight. 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You could also do, Overhead Squat 3-5 x 3 go deep and stay tight, 1 Arm DB Clean and press go to a heavy single, then a few back off sets, Throw A different two or three events if you have the implements. If it is straight the toss is said to be in the 12 o'clock position. Matt Vincent: The Highland Games is really all about application of force and power. Goodness, that will be quick. Training Highland Games, throwing Maybe you sleep with a Captains of Crush gripper under your pillow or lift stones for fun and think 20-rep squats are the key to enlightenment, as well as to gains in muscular size, strength and fitness. From there, youll actually meet some people, and perhaps find a training group. The object thrown isa 25.4kg (56lb) weight with a handle at the end of a short bar whichmust be thrown using just one hand. around your body. Theyre not always the most fun, but its for the greater good. If you were born with a dumbell in your teeth, look elsewhere! Training Tuesday: Highland Games Programming. Thats his goals and his things. Open Stone: 567 We at JTS strive to bring the best powerlifting, weightlifting, training and strength content in the world. Dan and I are different athletes, and Ive beat him some and hes beat me some. Thats what brought me to college on a track and field scholarship to LSU down here in Louisiana. Matt Vincent: You know, I dont know. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Brett McKay: Lets talk about the Highland Games, because I think people are familiar with caber tossing. Two days of lifting should be sufficient but one more probably wont hurt recovery. Im very good at it and I love the Highland Games, but keep in perspective what were doing, I throw rocks in a field. Its really the easiest way to about it. Today on the podcast, we discuss the Highland Games, whats involved with it, how you can get started if you want to try throwing a caber while wearing a kilt, the type of training you need to do, strength training to get ready and prepared for Highland Games competition. Matt Vincent: Its definitely one way to do it. These were used as counter balances at the feed market. Do taller guys have the edge when it comes to Highland Games, or is height not a major factor? What keeps you going, right? Join us in the first-ever JuggernautAI Powerbuilding contest! I think the mountain from Game of Thrones does this sort of stuff as well, youve competed against him. Brett McKay: Fantastic. Subscribe to the podcast in the media player of your choice. Much less, its a much worse idea to be a 280 50-year-old, they tend to die. The Art of Manliness participates in affiliate marketing programs, which means we get paid commissions on editorially chosen products purchased through our links. Its a little bit of self motivation through self loathing and its not listening to your own brain trying to get in your own way. That just kind of comes with the territory, and look, father time is undefeated. Its exactly the same rules as throwing the Olympic shot put. Other competitors find the bodybuilding split I build my workouts around to be surprising. And thats spelled hviii. The contestant who throws the furthest wins. In the Highland Games, we are throwing such heavy implements, that you truly have to have a base of strength that rivals other strength athletes (strongman, powerlifting, weightlifting). For me, they fit in nicely with my upper back work, which is important for events such as the caber and hammer. One of them is a heavy stone, and one of them is a light stone. Really been looking forward to this one. So, I went to a game and had a great time and the got a hold of some people and located some more games and traveled and did that for about a year and a half as an amateur, and then got invited because I won an amateur world championship to the professional world championship in 2011, and I took second place at that, and Ive been doing it ever since. Welcome to the official website of Professional Scottish Highland Games Athlete Daniel McKim! (Questions not related to today's topic should be directed towards the daily thread.) Program, Strengthen Your Tribe: A Report on the Atomic Athlete Vanguard, The Best Riddles for Kids (With Answers! BC: Good point. Brett McKay: Youve got to keep striving. The exercise selections were challenging, but felt great. What we need is stability work in which the core is a part but not the whole. The thing about the Highland Games is that the weight really isnt that heavy. Matt Vincent: This started my brother and i actually kind of talking about it. Matt Vincent: Poor mass, a lot of times can lead to some impingement and movement, things like that that are going to keep you from hitting positions that will be better. Hes of the move, plus, people in Iceland seem to know how to move heavy stuff. Its pretty simple. Youve written a lot of books. The basics: 1. Like, I want to try that out. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. Brett McKay: Got you. What Ive found that works the best for me, and, you know, not just works the best for me, but is conducive to the life I live. On throwing days we work to perfect technique. Its the guys who are wearing the kilts, theyre throwing the giant telephone pole looking thing, theyre throwing hammers over their head, theyre throwing big, burlap sacks over their head with a pitchfork. Brett McKay: What keeps you Is it like trying to beat yourself or do you really want to beat him one day? That wraps up another edition to the Art of Manliness podcast. Currently you have JavaScript disabled. For some reason, my brain just isnt going to allow it. "It's more of a test of athleticism than most sports." Vincent travels the world for 20 weeks a year to participate in the Games, doing event training followed by weightlifting three to fours days per week during the season. It was always something we looked at athletes, right. Those are really your best places. A really fascinating podcast, so, without further adieu, Matt Vincent and Highland games. I think, when Im done doing this that strength will become less of a focus for me. MILO articles on Highland Games heavy events technique for weight for height, caber toss, weight for distance, putting the stone, hammer throw, seasonal weight training and more, from Jim McGoldrick and others. What I mean by saying that is Im really not that concerned with, say, my gym Prs., or maxes or my power lifting total. That gives a lot of direction, too. We will feature discussions over training methodologies, program templates, and general weightlifting topics. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. When I first started, I was so addicted and excited about throwing that I practiced five to seven days a week for 18 months straight; rain, snow, cold it didnt matter. Can you give us a brief background of what the Highland Games are and the specific events of them. Sorinex sells a glute ham roller, a new piece, that I love doing leg curls and glute ham bridges with. I have started to think of pinning my big toes to the bottom of my shoes, which forces my knees to track better and keep me from hitting rock bottom. BC: You were already a fan of the hip thrust when I met you, but I showed you the American deadlift and the rounded back extension, which work the glutes thoroughly as well. We also throw a 56 pound weight up over a bar, for height, with one hand. Youre saying youre chasing Daniel, right, in the competition. Former Highland Games World Champion, Matt Vincent, and former thrower, Chad Wesley Smith have both said that training in the gym only gets you so far. Lifting days are to develop explosive power and improve stability. Man if I could just get on the treadmill a little bit more, these abs. Athletes that had that different drive than your normal people. Brett McKay: Is there an event that you specialize in, particularly? After that I think the hang clean is the second best for me. Its fantastic. Maybe too simple. Equipment Required: A sandbag, A BOSU ball, A punchbag. Anyways, today on the podcast, I have a world champion Highland Games competitor. All right, Matt Vincent, welcome to the show. Required fields are marked *. BC: Glad Im not alone in my affinity for curls. There are a couple of real basics, that we can start with. Matt Vincent: Five, three, one doesnt focus on any Olympic lifts, and with a three day program, my Hviii, day three is Olympic lift, and youre going to snatch and clean. Im assuming that you have somewhere to train locally where you can perform the various competitive lifts. Daniel McKim, who is also a multiple time Games World Champion said he believed in maintaining his training intensity throughout the season. All of our top Strength & Conditioning content in one incredible (and free!) Your email address will not be published. The camaraderie is great, because theres probably only 20 of us that are at the top end in the world. 3 sets of 8 with a minute rest OR 55 OR 53 OR Pyramids OR multiple Pyramids, aka Waves. Youve got to do all of it to make the good days good. Like, Im not going to be famous, Im not going to I dont need to go have a discussion with Reese Hoffa, for example, you know, Olympic shot putter, about how were both world champions. I had a weird spot writing the program, because I knew there were a lot of similarities to it and at the end of the day, if it aint broke, Im not going to rewrite it just so I can say this is original. Matt Vincent: Yeah, for me, I really like, throwing the stones. Your glutes were burning like crazy after just one set of all 3 exercises. Just kidding buddy, trust me, I wouldnt ever mess with you after seeing your hang power snatch prowess. At 55, he set two world records for 28-pound and 42-pound weight throws for distance, records that stand to this day. Brett McKay: Do you think youll stay connected to the sport in some way as a coach or mentor? Bench is one of the most common exercises used in every gym in the world. So, in short, Im realizing that the glutes are very important to my sport, and my time with you and on the Force Plate helped reiterate that to me. Props to you. The key is accumulation of work with the lighter weight instead of putting something on the bar and saying, Oh, shit, I think I can go for a PR, and add 15 pounds and risk the injury. DM: Probably my 341 lb. Its a really interesting strength sport out there. Tiger Woods looking to make a successful transition to Highland Games competition. Your Strong Man, power lifting, and especially toward the top end, right, your professional classes in those sports have it a lot more. And yes, for those keeping score at home, we have a set of twins in there! Participants use the handle to whirl the hammer around their head and then throw it as far as they can. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. (LogOut/ If you want a peek into the life of a professional Highland Games competitor, check out Matts siteand follow him on Instagramtoo. Work is Join Chad for some fun with the boys from Massenomics, Matt Sharafinski has added over 300 pounds to his total with JuggernautAI, Huge numbers for elite powerlifter Carlos Moran. . How do you balance athleticism with getting big and strong, because Im sure getting big and strong, because Im sure getting big and strong helps in throwing more weight. Dan is currently one of the best Highland Games competitors in the world, having won the National Championship from 2010-2013 and the World Championship in 2011 & 2013. If you did, you probably lived a really boring life. Matt Vincent: Boredom, and you know, drunk guys, Im sure were talking a lot of noise to each other, decided to put it to the test. It takes a long time for you to finally learn that, its like, OK, just diet.. What are the strength feats that youre most proud of in the gym? Post-college, I gave It a run at owning a bicycle shop, and that didnt work so well. Those guys that were willing to get up and do the work and push themselves harder. I'd love to hear from you! Thats what helped interest me in the sport; throwing across various disciplines. Im excited to see how my numbers and strength improves now that I can squat more appropriately within my anatomy. When its no longer fun. American Dan Williams broke the record in 2014 with a throw of 6.17m (20ft 3in). document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); and receive myFREE Lower BodyProgressions eBook! Strong biceps also prevent elbow injuries in throwers. Im trying not to focus so much on it other than just using it as an indicator of progress in the guy. 1.) You are a Highland Games competitor, so not a champion. This program is essentially a "desert island" plan that you can do just about anywhere in 15-20 minutes, 3 times a week with minimal equipment. I have a twin and we put my poor mother through hell, but you have 5 boys in total, I couldnt even imagine how much of a handful that is. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Look, its relatively bad, right. Matt Vincent: Yeah, so the history of the Highland Games, the way it really started was it was a test between the clans, Im sure which developed just from farmers, basically, coming up with being bored, and not having nearly the distractions that we do no, you know, I bet I can throw this rock further than you. This continued to grow as men tend to find challenges and things like that to do against each other. Theres competitions all over. Heavy/Light: Periodized Throwing for the Highland Games. DM: Always an honor to chat with you, man. Programs like Training Lab, Strength Lab, and other block periodization programs give Highland Games athletes a solid plan and foundation for the weight room throughout a season. How do you split it up, and how many exercises, sets, and reps do you typically perform? Where can readers follow you and find out more about you? Im curious why doing curls to work the biceps always seems to fall into the cosmetic category. BC: Now lets talk roids. But, its the combination of strength, athleticism and explosive ability that makes you a formidable and successful thrower. As Dan John said, "throwers throw". Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. The hammer throwing event features a hammer made from a metal ball weighing around 22 lb for men or 16 lb for women, attached to a wooden pole or handle. Brett McKay: It seems like your approach is also like sub-maximal loading. I like long walks in the rain, my favorite color is red okay, thats probably enough. Ive got other things and responsibilities in my life; and not every day is great, so what this does is just allows me to kind of auto regulate a little bit more and say I can get the work done. If things feel great on the last set, I can push a rep max. DM: The best tool is www.nasgaweb.com. Top end athletes, to the lowly Johnny . 3 Days Per Week, 2 Week Microcycles, 8 Week Mesocycles, 0 Unicycles. Try out these movements before your next Snatch session for better mobility and technique. Youre a large man. These came from Scotland. Ive been following you on Instagram. Give me a shout Discover True Victory Liquid error: Could not find asset snippets/icon-apple_pay.liquid In prior years, Ive had the police watch me and even ask to, clean up when youre done. During the season (April through September) Ill typically practice the events two to three times a week. I have coached complete novices that have never set foot on the field, the top pros in the world, and every level in between. Try out this warmup before your next Bench session. DM: I hit about 3,700 to 4,000 calories. 28# Weight for Distance: 949.25 (North American Record) Then, Ive also got to be able to be quick enough to use the momentum of me moving my body or spinning and rotating so that I can apply force for a longer time. The throws I do are very reliant on a strong posterior, and that was very evident in my testing! I really save that for the platform. 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One can easily see the connections between points one and two. Repeat two days later." I always enjoy going to my local gamesThere is nothing sexier to this Glasgow Gran than strong men in kilts. I will probably very happily hang up my shoes and be ready to watch whoever is next. Overhead Squat: Mix reps each workout. Its okay Dan, we all want a biceps pump. Matt Vincent: No clue what thats like, anyway, all of that happens in the kitchen anyway, it has nothing to do with your gym time. If that person is going to squat and kind of grind it out and take two seconds on a way up, like a big, hydraulic, slow, strong lift. Matt Vincent: Im really bad at the hammers. Yes, I believe the hang snatch to be my favorite explosive and most transferable lift for my sport. BC: How does one start learning more about The Highland Games if one is interested in training and competing? Name, email, and Ive beat him some and hes beat some... 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